This image is very apt since it's 6 inches deep in snow here.
There seems to be an awful lot of m/m books around where one of the heroes is grieving for his dead lover. More than any m/f romance books that I've read. Now don't get me wrong, I like these story lines, mainly because I like books with angst in them and there's nothing more angsty than a man who suffers from bereavement, especially if he feels a measure of guilt about the death of his lover. It's a tricky storyline to pull off as there's a fine balance between a sympathetic hero who is grieving and one where you just want to roll your eyes and tell them to get on with life. For a book with this theme to work there are a few things that work and some that don't.
Good grief! I feel a list coming on. I haven't done one of these in an age!
1. The time period after the death of the lover has to be just the right length of time.
If it's too soon after the death then the hero looks to be false in his grief; too long and the hero seems self-absorbed. I've found that over a year is usually long enough and up to no more than 5-8 years. Of course there's always the exceptions. Making Lemonade by TC Blue had the hero, Evan, kissing the other hero only weeks after the death of his lover, but then the book moved into a slow courtship which took place over several months before Evan could move on. Out of the Blue by Josh Lanyon had the hero, Bat, finding someone new after only a few days, but that was set in wartime where any chance at companionship and love is grasped before death can take it away. Books where the hero is still grieving deeply after 10 years or more often end up feeling slightly false, especially as they then often move out of their grief very suddenly when they meet the other hero. After 10 years there should have been at least some moving on, some acceptance that life goes on. Perhaps you would disagree with me on this one. I'd like to know what your feelings are.
2. Dwelling on the past sex life of the hero and the dead lover should be kept to a minimum.
I've read a few stories where there is either a flashback or a dream sequence where the hero and dead lover are having sex. Sometimes this works well. For example in Out of the Blue by Glyn Sotino (same title, different book) the story begins with the hero, Aidan, dreaming about having sex with his lover, as he awakens, the pain of the grief is felt anew as he realises that his lover is dead. It was a poignant moment and worked because the other hero of the book hadn't been introduced at that point. Once the heroes have met and started seeing each other, the focus on the book should be on moving away from the past and forward into a new life. I feel uncomfortable if the dead lover intrudes too much into the new relationship. I'm not saying they should disappear completely just that having a sex scene between a couple who aren't the two heroes of the book seems wrong somehow, a bit like infidelity. I know that sometimes dream sequences involving sex between the hero and his dead lover are there to somehow show that the dead lover is saying goodbye, but I find it a bit creepy. You may disagree.
3. There has to be a conscious 'moving on' from the past into the new life with the other hero.
This is often done by the hero visiting the grave of the dead lover and saying a final goodbye - a cliché, but still an effective way of telling the reader "This is it, the past is over and I'm moving on". There have been other, more subtle, ways of achieving this goal. In Faith and Fidelity by Tere Michaels, it was the moment when Evan let Matt sleep with him in the bed he used to share with his now dead wife. It was such a small thing but packed a huge emotional punch. Or it could be as simple as replacing the photo on the bedside table and putting the photo of the dead lover away - not to be forgotten, but also not to be centre stage. If there isn't a scene in the book where the hero makes a conscious move away from the past, then the new lover seems more like a rebound than the real thing. The other hero cannot be in competition with the dead lover or the HEA doesn't ring true. Can I just say that as a personal preference I'd rather not have the dead hero 'appear' to the grieving hero either in a dream or in a vision or hallucination, especially if the book is supposed to be a contemporary with no prior paranormal occurrences. In real life dead people do not appear and tell you to move on with your life so I find it weird that it happens so much in m/m contemporary fiction.
So there you have it, three areas which I feel are important in books containing a grieving hero and a dead lover. There may be more that I've forgotten which you could suggest. Or maybe you disagree with me and can think of plenty of great books with a dead lover in them which have included some of the things I've said shouldn't be done.








I mostly agree with you. If 15 years later you still can't function because of grief you need therapy. I'm not saying you have to run around sleeping with people but have a life buddy. I think TC Blue did handle it well, especially that he was freaked out that he was attracted, he didn't just jump in and everything was happy happy 2 weeks after his lover died.
ReplyDeleteI don't mind the lover flashbacks as long as it's not during the relationship. Before can work. I'm thinking of the Glyn Soitino book where his dream helped the Ginn understand why he was like he was. But I don't want a lot of them, one should be sufficient.
I agree with your last point, some symbolic thing. Just suddenly forgetting is kind of annoying. You're heartbroken for 10 years and 48 hours after meeting Mr. Right you've moved on, no issues? Huh? In The Starlight by Vic Winter the main character had bought new furniture and redone the bedroom a few months after his lover's death so that it wouldn't be "their's" and he was able to share it with a new guy (a year or so down the road). But that indicated that he wasn't totally stagnant but was moving towards a new relationship. I don't need a big internal dialogue at the grave side, although that can work but as you said, SOME indication that they have taken that step away from grieving.
So there is my wordy comment. :-)
I first want to say that the dead lover thing makes me a little uncomfortable. I'm sure that is a personal psycho thing and maybe I should see someone about it; probably I don't deal well with loss, etc. So when I come across this particular trope I have to get over my own personal angst first. When I do, I find that I have the same sort of issues you do.
ReplyDeleteLength of time needs to make sense. I can't think of the title now, but I know I've read one that took place many years after the death, and the new love was quite young, and so it felt to me that the new guy was filling as the memory, as if the grieving partner is looking to go back to that earlier time when he was young, if that makes sense.
And yeah, flashbacks with the dead partner - I'd rather not, at all.
I agree with the more subtle "moving on" being the most effective. This might go back to what I said at the start, but I'm not a big fan of the graveyard good-bye.
This was an interesting and thought-provoking post, Jen. Thanks!
Very good post, Jen, and what a gorgeous photo up top!
ReplyDeleteI'm with Wren on the theme of grief over the dead lover. It's one of my least favorite themes, and I've got to sort of nudge myself into reading it out of duty, like for a review.
I think it's a very tricky theme for a writer to work with because of all those issues you've mentioned. Is he too shallow? Too obsessed? Is the writer going to inadvertently turn the readers against the new lover by making him seem in competition with the dead lover?
I think what you mentioned about the timing is right on target, and your suggested range of years sounds good to me. That's probably the issue that can derail the book the fastest.
There are exceptions like you mentioned with Josh Lanyon's book Out of the Blue. That was a highly unusual setting that would change basic human behavior, plus I never got the feeling that Bat loved the dead guy much at all. I mean they were "striving for the Platonic ideal", for goodness sakes!
Tam: I love your wordy comments :)
ReplyDeleteI remember that bit in The starlight and thinking it was a good way to show that the hero was starting to move on.
Hi Wren
ReplyDeleteThanks :)
I can understand why people may not like the story line. First off you're pretty much guaranteed some angst and not everyone likes angsty books. Then there are some like you who just don't want to read about people who have been bereaved.
The whole issue of time is a bit subjective. Some people may not be bothered at all if there's only a few months since the death. But for me that shows that the feelings can't have been too strong to begin with.
Tanks, Val. It is a lovely photo, really atmospheric.
ReplyDeleteYou may be right in that Bat and Gene's relationship was based more on brotherly love mixed with heavy petting than anything overtly sexual like the relationship he develops with Cowboy. That's another reason why Bat's short grieving period doesn't seem too misplaced.
The dwelling on past lovers while in a new relationship is something that I am not so fond of anyway, dead or still alive.
ReplyDeleteThe key thing is the time factor. I think in F&F Ethan was not yet ready for something new but the one happening upon him was too good to let go so he to made it work anyway.
Hi Ingrid
ReplyDeleteIt worked well in F&F. I also think it helped (particularly with evan) that the new relationship was with another man, so he never felt that he was replacing his dead wife with another woman.
I think it worked well too but timing wise it is a bit odd. At least I think so
ReplyDelete(wow for the first time the veri word is an actual word! "lessende" Not something you would use in daily life bit still. )
I don't mind this as a theme, but I am a bit particular about the tropes associated with it. For example, the length of time needs to be convincing whether it be a short period (have to admit that a couple of days or weeks isn't ideal for me) or a long one.
ReplyDeleteOne associated theme I do hate with a passion is when the story focuses on the similarities between the dead lover and the new one. That to me is definitely rebound material and the main guy needs to see a therapists lickety split. It squicks me out.
I very much agree with all of your points. That's one of the reservations I had about Broken (by Dawn Kimberly Johnson). The ex-lover was so present throughout the book (he even "appeared" toward the end, asking the main character to let him go or something. o_O), I didn't feel the "new lover" and his relationship with the main character got the screen time and dedication they deserved. I preferred the way it was handled in Tango in the Night (though on the whole, I think Broken is the superior book).
ReplyDeleteEEP! You guys drive me crazy sometimes!
ReplyDeleteMy WIP, which I've been working on today, centers on a dead lover -- but the story is a significant departure from Mr. A grieving over Mr. or Ms. B, and then dropping the black veil to find happiness and true love.
At least the timeframe is acceptable, there's nothing paranormal in the plot, and no similarities exist between the dead and the living. But still...
Kris: I don't think I've read a boo where the hero focuses on the similarities between the dead and new lover. Or if I have, then I've forgotten about it. Sometimes there's a comparison of differences and I don't mind that. It's only natural to compare the lovers at first - it's when the hero is still doing it by the end of the book that it gets a bit suspicious.
ReplyDeleteMerwan: I've not read Tango in the Night. Who's it by?
ReplyDeleteI liked Broken a lot, but didn't care for the scene at the end where Bennett appears to Eli.
KZ: Oops, sorry. Perhaps you need to blog a bit more about your WIPs and then I'll know which topics to avoid :).
ReplyDeleteOh, great list Jenre! I do think there needs to be some time from the death of one partner to the 'acquiring' of the other - I've just read an m/f book in which the heroine went from losing her husband to marrying the hero within a few months. Too short IMO.
ReplyDeleteAnd I prefer that the new relationship not be compared with the old - that just leads to a whole heaps of trouble IMO. Saying that, comparisons will obviously occur :)
I read a short Halloween story where the ghost of the dead lover was actually sort of whispering in the ear of his lover telling him to go for it with the new guy. So a paranormal kind of thing saying "kiss him" "put your arms around him" and then back home he was in the bedroom with them when they got funky and it allowed him to "cross over" or whatever. It squicked me out. I mean I know he was wanting to help his lover move on because he didn't want him grieving forever, but from the ghost's point of view while his ex is having sex (or starting to) with another guy was kind of weird. I did read the follow-up story where the ghost was no longer in the picture but I didn't care for the set-up of the first one.
ReplyDeleteHi Orannia
ReplyDeleteThe time between lovers is important otherwise it implies that there wasn't very strong feelings for the death of the previous lover and makes them seem shallow.
Tam
ReplyDeleteEww, that would definitely put me off. It's like that story I read where the hero's mum was a ghost and lived in his head even when he was making out with the other hero. That squicked me out a bit too.
Tango in the Night is by KC Kendricks. I found the "thriller" aspect a little weak, but I like how the author handled the dead-lover theme.
ReplyDeleteHi there! For some reasons stories with the grieving-lover theme push my buttons. Maybe it's because there's something life-affirming about being (or becoming) open to love after loss (and I think it often speaks to the strength of character of the protag, his dead lover, and their relationship that the protag can eventually move on).
ReplyDeleteMy very favorite coming-back-to-love stories are Syd McGinley's Dr. Fell cycle. They're collected now into two volumes. The first is LOST, which chronicles Dominant John Fell's struggle to come to grips with the violent death of his submissive a few years back. Along the way he has rousing adventures in training other subs and some heart-wrenching near-misses at finding love again. But then comes the second volume, FOUND, wherein Dr. Fell finally takes the plunge for real, and finds that not only has he navigated the grieving process, but it's changed him. So the tension in the second arc of stories isn't about moving on, it's about deploying the new self in a new relationship. Brilliant, fat stories.
If you know Syd's work, I don't have to tell you these stories are well-written, wryly funny, and very, very engaging.
There are other terrific stories in this vein (ZA Maxfield's new one is delightful), but Dr. Fell is my absolute fave.
Cheers,
Lee B.
Hi Lee
ReplyDeletethanks for stopping by :)
I've only read one Syd McGinley story which was in a set of shorts that I read a while ago and focused more on the sub than on Dr Fell. I hadn't realised that all the Dr Fell stories had been collated into a couple of volumes. I'm interested in reading a well written book about the 24hr D/s lifestyle so I'll be sure to check those out, especially if they deal sympathetically with a bereaved hero.
Wow, I'm really late commenting on this post, but somehow I missed it and it caught my eye...
ReplyDeleteI'd agree with your list, especially the time frame. I hate to say there's an arbitrary cut-off point, but for me personally, I do think it's important that there is at least a year after the death of the lover. Probably because the first year is the hardest, when the pain is the sharpest, and life during that year feels kind of like a blur looking back on it--and that's what the pain is like later, too, not gone, but blurred. Of course, grieving is different for everyone so someone else may disagree, but for me that year minimum is really important to my enjoyment of the story.
I also think the whole sex dream with the dead lover is creepy, and I really, really don't want to read that.
One thing I will add, though, is that for me I always used to be frustrated when reading romances with a dead lover plot point b/c often the old relationship is slowly devalued in the protag's memory b/c the new love interest is so amazing. I really, really, really don't like this. I'm okay with the idea that if it weren't for death, the protag would probably still be with the old lover, and I don't think it means the protag can't move on, or love someone else completely--I think they can find happiness again, that's just...life. I don't need the author to take away from what went before in order to make me believe in the happiness of the present. This was always a big beef of mine, which is probably why, ah, I'm rambling...sorry!
I also used to think that the whole dead lover trope is one I wouldn't be interested in writing...that is, until I wrote it. *g*
Hi Dakota
ReplyDeleteThat's such a good point. it always irritates me too when the dead lover has to be made to be somehow less than the new lover - and often it's to do with them being no good in bed, just so that the new lover can be the best ever lover that the hero has had. I don't see why this should have to be the case at all. In fact it not only devalues the love that the hero had for his dead lover, but also makes it seem that the initial grief is false somehow.