Thursday, 19 January 2012
The Dreaded Three Stars
My mate Kris is doing a series at the moment about book gradings which has been making me think a little both about how people grade in general and also how I grade. Mostly though it's made me think about the three star grade and different people's perceptions of that. Here's a couple of perceptions in a nutshell:
Readers: Three stars isn't bad
Authors: Three stars for one of my books is bad
There's also the idea that if you are a reviewer then your average rating should be three stars. If you are under three stars, then you are a harsh reviewer; if you're over three stars then you're too lenient. At the end of the year several reviewers proudly displayed their stats telling their readers that they were an average three star reviewer. Firm but fair. Apparently.
My average rating for reviews is 4.04 stars, so think what you like about that.
What I think about it is that, on the whole, I read books I think am going to like. Sometimes I'm disappointed, but most times I get what I'm hoping for. If I really like a book I give it four stars, so it stands to reason that many of my books will have four star ratings. I still get this vague feeling of guilt though when I'm giving out lots of four stars, sort of like I'm letting the reviewing side down by liking the books.
Back to the topic at hand which is the thee star rating, or 'Good' if you look at the way I rate at this blog. Different people have different ideas about what constitutes a three star rating. Good Reads criteria is 'I liked it', which if you think about it is actually a decent description for a book. I think many authors should be pleased to know that their book was liked. My 'Good' rating is slightly different to that and follows two separate ideas:
1. That the book may be a little bland
I read so many m/m books that there are some that fade into almost obscurity within a day of me finishing the book. That doesn't mean to say that I didn't enjoy the book whilst reading. I probably did and found it very diverting or entertaining at the time. 'Good' books are those whose plot I can't remember or character names are forgotten, all within a relatively short time frame. I once had a book that I needed to review. I read it before realising that the ARC had been given out weeks in advance so I held off reviewing until nearer the publication date. When I came to write the review I couldn't remember anything about it. Not one thing. I ended up re-reading the entire book before I could review which wasn't a huge chore because the story was fairly entertaining. That is the perfect example of a grade three/Good book in my view.
2. That the book may have features or weaknesses which annoy me
These sort of books fall into two areas:
a) Annoying characters or plot devises like the Big Misunderstanding
b) Several annoying typos or errors or a written style that just does not appeal to me
Both areas will often lead to me being pulled out of the story on several occasions either to puzzle over a continuity error or to shout at a character/situation which irritates me. It interrupts the flow of the reading, pings my 'not like' button, or leaves me feeling frustrated, but not enough that I want to stop reading. There are some authors who will always get a 'Good' grade from me because I don't connect well with the way they write. That isn't the fault of the author, just that we're not compatible and I soon learn not to read books by that author any more. Then again I may have an author who I love to read, but something about one of their books really gets on my nerves - maybe the actions of a character, or something in the plotting. I won't give up on an author for that, but it will mean I might rate them lower than I have previously.
As a reader, I don't think that a three star/Good review is a bad thing. I've bought books on the strength of a three star review, and I've had readers tell me they have bought books based on one of my 'Good' reviews. After all, what hasn't worked for me may work for another reader. The important thing, I think is that there IS a review, even one line, to say why the grade is given because that allows readers to make an informed choice.
So, my fellow readers, what is your opinion on the three star/Good review? If you see three stars does it put you off buying a book? Do you think three stars is a 'bad' review? What are your criteria for giving out three stars? Do tell.
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My reason for giving a three star is similar to you. I may very well have enjoyed the book at the time of reading, but a week later I don't find myself pondering it in the car on the way to work. And I had that happen when I opened a book to read it for review and realized I'd already read it a week ago. Oops. I liked it okay, there was nothing inherently wrong with it, it just didn't stick in my brain.
ReplyDeleteJust today at GR, I saw someone had added a book to read that I had given 3 stars. I literally stopped and did a double take because I have NO CLUE what the book was about. Not the slightest. The word tequila is in the title so I'm assuming alcohol in some form was involved. LOL Doesn't mean I didn't like it at the time.
I can never remember how to find my average but I think I was something like 3.8 or 3.7. I too as a rule choose books because I THINK I'll like them. But sometimes my taste sucks. :-)
As an author, I'm quite happy with a 3 star. Mind you, I haven't written a grand opus that I've put blood sweat and tears into for months on end and it's my baby. :-) As long as people don't go "OMG, worse piece of trite trash ever", I'm pretty pleased. Oh don't worry, I'm sure it's coming. LOL
Oh wait. I found it. Seems my average is 3.4. Hmmm. Harsh much? :-)
ReplyDeleteI tend to be a high grader, but I think for similar reasons to what you said. I generally only read books I have a good chance of liking (got good reviews, an author I really like, etc). So I don't often get real duds, thank goodness.
ReplyDeleteI think GR is tough b/c I think their scale is out of touch with most reviewers. My personal blog rating doesn't really match up with GR so I probably rate things much higher there than their scale accounts for. Plus, the no half points thing is tough, especially since I review in quarter points on my blog. So I am always debating the rounding.
But I agree it is a tough issue. I list my rating criteria on my blog but most readers or authors probably never actually read it.
To paraphrase Tam: I love to find myself pondering a book on my bike on the way to town. That kind of books will get 4 and 5 stars from me. Three stars is for something that didn't leave a great impression.
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Tam: One of the reasons I think I have an average 4 star rating is because I keep forgetting to add the books I review at BER. Many of them get C grades which is our equivalent of three stars and I think would probably lower my average grade at Good Reads if I wasn't so forgetful!
ReplyDeleteI've often had the experience of coming across a rating from a friend on GRs and being surprised to see I've read the book too. A quick look at the blurb often refreshes my memory, LOL! I also find sometimes when I'm trying to 'file' my books on the laptop that there are some titles I don't recognise but when I look at the pdf I remember I've read the book.
Hmmmm, maybe I'm just overly forgetful!
Jay: You're right about the GRs scale being different to a lot of reviewers own sites. I once gave a different star rating on GRs than I did on a review at another site and was called up on it. It's hard to be consistent when there's a disparity.
ReplyDeleteI often get people looking at my ratings explanation page but I think that's because I don't use a star system here. Generally I think everyone assumes that stars are the same for every site, which actually isn't the case at all.
Antonella: A first class book for me is one that keeps me awake at night thinking through what happened. A three star book never has that effect on me.
ReplyDeleteI think my reasoning behind the ratings is about the same as yours. A 4 is a book that I thoroughly enjoy but for some reason didn't absolutely love. A 3 grading for me at least was a book that I enjoyed but it didn't wow me and/or I had issues with.
ReplyDeleteUsually when I end a book the rating is just there in my head and I don't have to think about it too much. That being said there are times when I rate a book on GR and then go back later and change it. Either I've had negative thoughts about it later or I've moved it up in the rating scale because it has stayed with me and the more I think about it the more I like it.
Jen, such an interesting topic! I think as readers we may have these gut reaction associations with those star-ratings.
ReplyDeleteI see three stars and I have the association that it was a competent read, written as to have no real mistakes, but also that it struck the reviewer as kind of bland and forgettable in that it didn't stretch beyond the usual themes and character types and didn't really dig in and make an impression on the reviewer.
If I then read the blurb and see something I personally like about the story such as a certain setting, or if it's by one of my favorite authors (and there are many), then I'll probably buy it anyway because I may "bring more to it" as a reader and therefore get more mileage out of it than the reviewer probably did.
A two-star rating, on the other hand, means to me that the book was seriously flawed in its execution. If one of my own books gets two stars, I'm a bit worried and would appreciate the feedback. You never know, the reviewer might have seen something that I and my editors missed. It can happen, and I can learn from it.
If I see three stars on one of my own books, I'll admit I'm disappointed that it didn't dig in and make an impression on the reviewer, but I'm even more grateful that the reviewer took a chance on it in the first place, found it a competent read, and took the time to put up a rating (or even better a review).
I read and have read so many mm books, and the huge majority of them are 3-star reads for me, so I'm not surprised that mine would be that way for other readers. I think most books are 3-star reads for most readers.
My average is 3.3 - I think it's going up! ;) I think we have similar definitions of a three-star rating - lots of books should fall into this group, because it's pretty average. Personally, I wouldn't want to read only five-star books - it would be emotionally draining and I wouldn't appreciate them after a while. In fact, after finishing a five-star book, I frequently read something I know will be three or fewer stars to clear my palate, so to speak.
ReplyDeleteTracy:
ReplyDeleteUsually when I end a book the rating is just there in my head and I don't have to think about it too much.
That's often the same with me too. In fact even by half way through the book I have a good idea of what sort of rating it will get and unless the book surprises me, that's what I stick with. Perhaps it's because written style and how much I like the characters plays a large part in my enjoyment of a book.
I sometimes change my mind about a book too, but more from moving them from 4 stars to 5 stars because over time I've re-read and they've become keeper books. You can't always tell which books will hit you like that until later.
Val: Yes, often even after I've read a three star review I will also see something in the blurb that calls to me. There's always such a range of grades for books on GRs anyway that it's not always easy to tell whether I will like a book or not considering that it gets ratings from 1 star through to 5! Although I do get a little nervous if I buy a book and then see it gets a consistent grade of 2 stars from those readers I usually gel with.
ReplyDeleteChris: I know what you mean about the emotional strain of reading all 5 star books. This is why I read shorts between longer novels. Not because they will have a lower rating, but because the intensity is condensed and I don't have to spend a sustained time with the characters.
ReplyDeleteI've written good stories and stories that needed improvement. I can accept the fact that both lie in my future. But I hope I never write a completely forgettable story.
ReplyDeleteStealer! :P
ReplyDeleteIn all seriousness, though, I prefer the GR rating guide with 3 stars being a good read and 2 stars being an okay read. It makes sense to me that 3; being the midway point, the average, etc, etc, would reflect that. I don't understand why it should be such a big deal.
I'm still the GR bell curve, baby!
This is interesting to me, because a month or so ago I made a post stating my criteria for each star rating. Pretty much if I'd be willing to read it again, I'd give it at least 3-stars. I like to use half-star ratings in on my page, because sometimes it hasn't quite earned a 5-star or such.
ReplyDeleteAnyways, 3 for me is pretty much how you call it. Good, not amazing, but enjoyable. "A work with good points and bad points, that didn't particularly impress me, but was overall enjoyable. While not high on my list, would potentially re-read."
Oddly enough, books that score lower than 3.5 on GR I'm hesitant to read. Because 3 is average and I want something above average (Years of schooling in that tradition). But you're right, 3 is respectable.
PS. I always hear the GR 2-star of "It was okay" in a whiny 14-year-old voice. Which is probably why my overall GR score is close to 4. Or maybe because I avoid books ranking below 3.5
Gah, I have a headache now :)
Amber:
ReplyDeleteBut I hope I never write a completely forgettable story.
Yes, I imagine most authors would think that too. It's better that a story be remembered even with its flaws than forgotten about entirely.
Kris: You're on the bell curve? I would have thought your average was a 1 or 2 star :P.
ReplyDeleteI can see the appeal of the 'I liked it' three star rating at GRs. It's more of a softer blow than 'It was ultimately forgettable' or 'It had bits that didn't work for me' which is what a three star means for many reviewers.
Alex: I'm glad we agree :).
ReplyDeleteOddly enough, books that score lower than 3.5 on GR I'm hesitant to read
Maybe if all the people rating gave it below 3.5 stars I would hesitate too, but that rarely happens at GRs. There's nearly always a large range of marks.
Gah, I have a headache now
Deciding on which rating to give a book can have that affect on reviewers ;).
If a blurp/excerpt sounds good I'll get a book with 3 star ratings from my friends, I only look at theirs and some review sites ratings, not some random strangers opinion
ReplyDeleteMy GR average is 3.73 at the moment
Found you via Stumbling Over Chaos and found this post very interesting. It seems my rating style meshes with yours. I notice so many 4s and 5s on GoodReads that I've been pondering lately that perhaps I'm a bit too harsh in my ratings. But going off of GoodReads' description of a 3 I feel I'm not. My average on GoodReads is 3.48. I mostly give out 3s and 4s.
ReplyDeleteFor me a 3 is worth the time to read, but in general rather forgettable. If the first book in a series gets a 3 I'll continue to read at least 2 more books in the series before deciding to continue or move on (though I don't read series books back to back as I find that makes me more sensitive to a given author's quirks and can degrade my view of the book).
As for buying a 3 star book, I'm more likely to try check it out from the library if the author or genre is new to me. But if I'm already familiar with an author and it's average rating is 3 I'll likely still purchase it. I do analyze the distribution of ratings too. While I'm not too keen to have my view of the book colored by other reviews I often read the low rating reviews to see what the issues are. Often times it is someone stepping outside their normal genres and not "getting" it. As an ebook reader though I do take seriously comments on poor formatting and character errors as I find those do pull me out of the story.
Also, I read a fair bit of genre fiction and cozy mysteries. I don't expect those to be earth shattering or to make more of an impact than to provide a means of escape while reading it. As long as it has a 3 I'm quite happy with it.
First off, let me just say that IMHO a reviewer who strives for that 3 star average is missing the point. Get over yourselves folks. The Gauss curve is no the be all and end all of life.
ReplyDeleteIf I spend my money on books, which I read in order to relax, have fun and enjoy myself I DO NOT want to have a average reading experience. Instead I want to read as many omg-that-was-awesome-I-want-more books as possible. Right? And if at the end of the year my average is 3 stars that means that I either mainly read well-that-was-ok-but-it-could-have-been-better books, or one too many wallbangers.
That said, 3 stars isn’t the end of the world. It can still be a good book. Plus someone’s 3 or even 2 star read is a 5 star read for someone else. After all, taste is a highly individual thing. I guess what I’m trying to say is that even if a book got just 1 measly star, but the review was detailed and the things which bothered the reviewer don’t bother me I would still buy the book.
As for your points on giving 3 stars I couldn’t agree more. Especially with the point about annoying characters and too many BMs. If a character that plays a mayor role in the book gets on my nerves throughout the book I can’t go over 3 stars even if the plot was all that and more simply because I can’t honestly say I enjoyed reading the book when the entire time I was running an internal monologue on why the MC should die a slow and painful death.
Majken: Yes, friends reviews, even if only three stars, can sway me too, especially if I like the sound of the blurb.
ReplyDeleteKristi: Nice to see you here :).
ReplyDeleteAs for buying a 3 star book, I'm more likely to try check it out from the library if the author or genre is new to me.
When I was reading a lot of m/f historicals I would often get the books from the library if I wasn't sure it was going to worth putting out the money for. Sadly, British libraries don't tend to stock m/m romance so sometimes I have to rely either on the blurb/extract or just take a chance with a new author, especially if they have a range of grades at GRs. Sometimes this pays off and I've found some wonderful new authors that way, and sometimes it doesn't.
Eva: I'm with you in that I want to read as many books as I can which will be 4 or 5 star reads. You're right that it's not always going to be like that though.
ReplyDeleteI can’t honestly say I enjoyed reading the book when the entire time I was running an internal monologue on why the MC should die a slow and painful death.
I'm glad it's not just me who does that :D.
I don't rate books anymore, but I'd totally agree with you on the definition of 3 star. To me they are books that I enjoyed well enough while reading but don't feel any urge to read again, or ones that were better than that but with some flaws that spoilt the reading experience.
ReplyDeleteI strive to read books I'd rate at 4 or 5 stars - I don't want to spend my time and money on things I wouldn't enjoy, but like many others have said, recs from friends or trusted reviewers count for a lot more than the average GR rating.
Jo: I'm glad we agree.:)
ReplyDeleteYes, when I'm reading a book which looks to be three stars, I get really disappointed and part of me feels like giving up half way through because I'd rather move onto a book which is going to be 4 or 5 stars.